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		<title>By: straightarrow</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2007/10/16/i-love-college-kids/#comment-959</link>
		<dc:creator>straightarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey college kid,  It is a pleasure to meet you.  If everyone had your integrity, there would be no need for this discussion.  I fear, however, that most on the other side are not people of good character with an honest difference of opinion and are, in fact, either elitists and presume to be elite themselves, or are simply evil, wishing for control over others, knowing that kissing ass and denying truth is the &quot;team to be on&quot;.  Of course, that only works in a very limited world, which they will soon leave, but there are still plenty of opportunities in politics for the dishonest powermonger.

Anyway, it is a pleasure to see a young man with his own mind who is courageous enough to adapt his opinions to reality  rather than adapt his perception of reality to his opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey college kid,  It is a pleasure to meet you.  If everyone had your integrity, there would be no need for this discussion.  I fear, however, that most on the other side are not people of good character with an honest difference of opinion and are, in fact, either elitists and presume to be elite themselves, or are simply evil, wishing for control over others, knowing that kissing ass and denying truth is the &#8220;team to be on&#8221;.  Of course, that only works in a very limited world, which they will soon leave, but there are still plenty of opportunities in politics for the dishonest powermonger.</p>
<p>Anyway, it is a pleasure to see a young man with his own mind who is courageous enough to adapt his opinions to reality  rather than adapt his perception of reality to his opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: redeux</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2007/10/16/i-love-college-kids/#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>redeux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>someone needs to drop this ninny off in the inner-city of DC and force him to walk out on his own 2 feet...
 he&#039;d be singing a different tune very quickly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>someone needs to drop this ninny off in the inner-city of DC and force him to walk out on his own 2 feet&#8230;<br />
 he&#8217;d be singing a different tune very quickly</p>
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		<title>By: 19-year-old College Kid</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2007/10/16/i-love-college-kids/#comment-957</link>
		<dc:creator>19-year-old College Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a 19-year-old college kid, myself, I have to say I&#039;m a bit offended at being lumped in with this guy, both for myself and on behalf of my friends, who are also 19- and 20-year-old college kids.  Three of us, myself included, are actually gun owners; a fourth enjoys shooting and comes with me whenever I go to the range, and the rest are all clear thinking folk who pretty universally see gun control as rather silly.  I should also mention that of eight people, no fewer than 7 of us (again, myself included) are registered democrats.

That said, it is with considerable shame that I must admit that I, too, was pro-gun-control, for a time.  But then, in 10th grade, my father took me to a gun (and militaria) show.  To my surprise, the only flags displayed in the arena were the flag of the United States and the flag of the State of Maryland (hung from the ceiling, as they often are in stadiums and arenas) - no nazi flags or pointy hoods or anything silly like that.  And there were even minorities there (besides the Asian guy at the &quot;made in China&quot; tables, where literally everything for sale was made in China).  Since then I&#039;ve gone to as many gun shows in the DC area as possible.  But that wasn&#039;t quite enough to fully convince me of the silliness of gun control philosophy.
In 11th grade I took AP US History, and near the end of the year, we had several debates.  We were formed into groups of four, each group assigned a topic (at random), and split into teams of two to research and debate the topic (the teams also assigned at random).  The topic my group was assigned was gun control, and the team I was assigned to was the pro-gun-control team.
During the course of my research, I found it especially difficult to find credible statistics supporting gun control; whenever I looked deeper into statistics that seemed promising, I always found that they were either presented in a misleading (often bordering on downright dishonest) way or they had some other terrible flaw that the other side would no doubt use to rebut my argument.  When reading court decisions and opinions by legal authorities, I found myself thinking things like &quot;boy, this Scalia guy&#039;s a dick, but on this I have to admit he&#039;s got a point.&quot;  So eventually I gave up on gun control, and, as a result, my efforts at finding evidence to support my argument in the debate.  I went to class that day with nothing but a few notecards and a lot of rhetoric and psuedo-sociology.
Needless to say, we lost the debate.  But although my team lost, I like to think of that day as a victory for America, because facts, reason, and intellectual honesty won the RKBA side another convert...or five...
And so it was that I became the gun-owning Maryland liberal, and 19-year-old (for now, obviously) college kid, that I am today.

As for the 19-year-old college kid mentioned in the original post, I&#039;d say he&#039;s got some research to do, but, due to a lack of intellectual honesty on his part, he probably either won&#039;t do it or he&#039;ll only examine sources that agree with his preconceptions.

And I appologise for the long comment, but I suppose here it&#039;s warranted since I am bringing a unique and relatively important perspective to the discussion... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a 19-year-old college kid, myself, I have to say I&#8217;m a bit offended at being lumped in with this guy, both for myself and on behalf of my friends, who are also 19- and 20-year-old college kids.  Three of us, myself included, are actually gun owners; a fourth enjoys shooting and comes with me whenever I go to the range, and the rest are all clear thinking folk who pretty universally see gun control as rather silly.  I should also mention that of eight people, no fewer than 7 of us (again, myself included) are registered democrats.</p>
<p>That said, it is with considerable shame that I must admit that I, too, was pro-gun-control, for a time.  But then, in 10th grade, my father took me to a gun (and militaria) show.  To my surprise, the only flags displayed in the arena were the flag of the United States and the flag of the State of Maryland (hung from the ceiling, as they often are in stadiums and arenas) &#8211; no nazi flags or pointy hoods or anything silly like that.  And there were even minorities there (besides the Asian guy at the &#8220;made in China&#8221; tables, where literally everything for sale was made in China).  Since then I&#8217;ve gone to as many gun shows in the DC area as possible.  But that wasn&#8217;t quite enough to fully convince me of the silliness of gun control philosophy.<br />
In 11th grade I took AP US History, and near the end of the year, we had several debates.  We were formed into groups of four, each group assigned a topic (at random), and split into teams of two to research and debate the topic (the teams also assigned at random).  The topic my group was assigned was gun control, and the team I was assigned to was the pro-gun-control team.<br />
During the course of my research, I found it especially difficult to find credible statistics supporting gun control; whenever I looked deeper into statistics that seemed promising, I always found that they were either presented in a misleading (often bordering on downright dishonest) way or they had some other terrible flaw that the other side would no doubt use to rebut my argument.  When reading court decisions and opinions by legal authorities, I found myself thinking things like &#8220;boy, this Scalia guy&#8217;s a dick, but on this I have to admit he&#8217;s got a point.&#8221;  So eventually I gave up on gun control, and, as a result, my efforts at finding evidence to support my argument in the debate.  I went to class that day with nothing but a few notecards and a lot of rhetoric and psuedo-sociology.<br />
Needless to say, we lost the debate.  But although my team lost, I like to think of that day as a victory for America, because facts, reason, and intellectual honesty won the RKBA side another convert&#8230;or five&#8230;<br />
And so it was that I became the gun-owning Maryland liberal, and 19-year-old (for now, obviously) college kid, that I am today.</p>
<p>As for the 19-year-old college kid mentioned in the original post, I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s got some research to do, but, due to a lack of intellectual honesty on his part, he probably either won&#8217;t do it or he&#8217;ll only examine sources that agree with his preconceptions.</p>
<p>And I appologise for the long comment, but I suppose here it&#8217;s warranted since I am bringing a unique and relatively important perspective to the discussion&#8230; :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Alcibiades McZombie</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2007/10/16/i-love-college-kids/#comment-956</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcibiades McZombie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been a fan of cars driving in a circle.  Those cross-country races appeal to me more often than not.

From what I hear, there actually are quite a few gun owners in Europe, particularly Spain and Germany.

I&#039;ve met an anti-gun professor, however I think I could have hammered the RKBA into him.  He was not &quot;virulently&quot; anti-gun, just passively anti-gun (his reasoning:  guns cause harm, therefore guns are bad).

I&#039;ve also met a pro-gun professor, so I guess it balances out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been a fan of cars driving in a circle.  Those cross-country races appeal to me more often than not.</p>
<p>From what I hear, there actually are quite a few gun owners in Europe, particularly Spain and Germany.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met an anti-gun professor, however I think I could have hammered the RKBA into him.  He was not &#8220;virulently&#8221; anti-gun, just passively anti-gun (his reasoning:  guns cause harm, therefore guns are bad).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also met a pro-gun professor, so I guess it balances out.</p>
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		<title>By: Flamingo</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2007/10/16/i-love-college-kids/#comment-955</link>
		<dc:creator>Flamingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem, as I see it, is these &quot;idealist kids&quot; (used loosely as I am much an idealistic kid myself) are seriously buying into the extreme polarization of politics right now. College kids, tending towards the extremes of both ends of the political spectrum anyway, are especially influenced by the black and white, right vs. left, no common ground atmosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem, as I see it, is these &#8220;idealist kids&#8221; (used loosely as I am much an idealistic kid myself) are seriously buying into the extreme polarization of politics right now. College kids, tending towards the extremes of both ends of the political spectrum anyway, are especially influenced by the black and white, right vs. left, no common ground atmosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2007/10/16/i-love-college-kids/#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m constantly amazed that anyone, especially idealistic kids, are so hostile to an authentic grass-roots citizens organization whose passion is the Bill of Rights.

  Who is teaching these folks to HATE the NRA?

  And second: can you imagine a college student who is consumed with empowering the police and the G. W. Bush administration to the exclusion of common people?

  It&#039;s a crazy world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m constantly amazed that anyone, especially idealistic kids, are so hostile to an authentic grass-roots citizens organization whose passion is the Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>  Who is teaching these folks to HATE the NRA?</p>
<p>  And second: can you imagine a college student who is consumed with empowering the police and the G. W. Bush administration to the exclusion of common people?</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s a crazy world!</p>
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