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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2008/02/18/internet-gun-sales/#comment-2471</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I used the term &quot;armor piercing&quot;, I meant as defined by the BATFE; I felt no need to call attention to the armor piercing properties of ammo that isn&#039;t currently regulated.

As to shipping firearms across state lines, the ATF rule you pointed out has been interpreted by courts and the ATF to mean that a firearm that crosses state lines must go to someone with a federal firearms license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I used the term &#8220;armor piercing&#8221;, I meant as defined by the BATFE; I felt no need to call attention to the armor piercing properties of ammo that isn&#8217;t currently regulated.</p>
<p>As to shipping firearms across state lines, the ATF rule you pointed out has been interpreted by courts and the ATF to mean that a firearm that crosses state lines must go to someone with a federal firearms license.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn B</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2008/02/18/internet-gun-sales/#comment-2472</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but you do not have your &#039;facts&#039; straight on Internet firearms and ammunition sales.

&quot;If you go to a website like Gunbroker.com and purchase a firearm, that gun must be shipped directly to a Federal Firearms License holder in accordance with federal law.&quot; This is not true for many gun transactions. Rifles can be shipped intrastate with no federal requirement to first be shipped to an FFL holder. Here is the BATFE rule on that:  May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state.&quot; Note that you may ship to a resident of your state, and the receiver only need have alicense in another state! Of course some states may require shipment through an FFL, but not all of them do. C

As for armor piercing ammo, I guess all the people at this GunBroker.com address are in violation of the law, or otherwise it is legal to sell armor piercing ammunition: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp. If that does not work, then go to GumnBroker.com and typoe in a search for &quot;armor piercing&quot;. You can routinely purchase ammunition that will pierce armor at any guns tore in the USA; and that includes body armor and armor plating. Heck a .308 and 30/06 will both pierce 1/4 inch steel armor, and maybe 1/2 inch steel armor. Of course, the BATFE forbids the sale of certain Armor Piercing ammuntion for which they supply a specific list and description unde rlaw and regulation. The truthe be told, there are many other types of armor piercing ammo that do not fit that ATF description, yet are truly armor piercing, and totally legal under federal law. So in other words, only armor piercing ammo as listed or described under Under Title 18, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 44 as amended by Public Law 103-322 The Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (enacted September 13, 1994) 18 U.S.C. CHAPTER 44 &#167; 921(a)(17)(B)  is illegal. Something like these two - removed from aid list, are legal under federal law (state law may differ): &quot;5.56MM (.223) SS109 and M855 Ammunition, Identified by a green coating on the projectile tip...&quot;, and  &quot;U.S. .30-06 M2 AP, Identified by a black coating on the projectile tip.&quot;

While I agree that many folks think wrongly about how someone can or cannot purcahse ammunition or firearms through use of the Internet, I find it important to get the facts right about such things; otherwise we look like uninformed noobs to the gun control crowd, and they can thus use that to their advantage.

All the best,
Glenn B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but you do not have your &#8216;facts&#8217; straight on Internet firearms and ammunition sales.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you go to a website like Gunbroker.com and purchase a firearm, that gun must be shipped directly to a Federal Firearms License holder in accordance with federal law.&#8221; This is not true for many gun transactions. Rifles can be shipped intrastate with no federal requirement to first be shipped to an FFL holder. Here is the BATFE rule on that:  May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state.&#8221; Note that you may ship to a resident of your state, and the receiver only need have alicense in another state! Of course some states may require shipment through an FFL, but not all of them do. C</p>
<p>As for armor piercing ammo, I guess all the people at this GunBroker.com address are in violation of the law, or otherwise it is legal to sell armor piercing ammunition: <a href="http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp</a>. If that does not work, then go to GumnBroker.com and typoe in a search for &#8220;armor piercing&#8221;. You can routinely purchase ammunition that will pierce armor at any guns tore in the USA; and that includes body armor and armor plating. Heck a .308 and 30/06 will both pierce 1/4 inch steel armor, and maybe 1/2 inch steel armor. Of course, the BATFE forbids the sale of certain Armor Piercing ammuntion for which they supply a specific list and description unde rlaw and regulation. The truthe be told, there are many other types of armor piercing ammo that do not fit that ATF description, yet are truly armor piercing, and totally legal under federal law. So in other words, only armor piercing ammo as listed or described under Under Title 18, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER 44 as amended by Public Law 103-322 The Violent Crime and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (enacted September 13, 1994) 18 U.S.C. CHAPTER 44 &sect; 921(a)(17)(B)  is illegal. Something like these two &#8211; removed from aid list, are legal under federal law (state law may differ): &#8220;5.56MM (.223) SS109 and M855 Ammunition, Identified by a green coating on the projectile tip&#8230;&#8221;, and  &#8220;U.S. .30-06 M2 AP, Identified by a black coating on the projectile tip.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I agree that many folks think wrongly about how someone can or cannot purcahse ammunition or firearms through use of the Internet, I find it important to get the facts right about such things; otherwise we look like uninformed noobs to the gun control crowd, and they can thus use that to their advantage.</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Glenn B</p>
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		<title>By: TheGunGeek</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2008/02/18/internet-gun-sales/#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>TheGunGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that most states will allow in-state sales of long guns between private individuals to be done by a direct shipment to the home of the buyer. It&#039;s just like being there in person, except you aren&#039;t quite so close to each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that most states will allow in-state sales of long guns between private individuals to be done by a direct shipment to the home of the buyer. It&#8217;s just like being there in person, except you aren&#8217;t quite so close to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Alcibiades McZombie</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2008/02/18/internet-gun-sales/#comment-2475</link>
		<dc:creator>Alcibiades McZombie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Black Talon isn&#039;t armor piercing.  It&#039;s expanding ammo, like soft/hollow points.

If they had given it a different name, it probably wouldn&#039;t have been restricted...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Black Talon isn&#8217;t armor piercing.  It&#8217;s expanding ammo, like soft/hollow points.</p>
<p>If they had given it a different name, it probably wouldn&#8217;t have been restricted&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: karrde</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2008/02/18/internet-gun-sales/#comment-2473</link>
		<dc:creator>karrde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Armor Piercing ammo.

Depends on how you define &quot;Armor Piercing&quot;. If you mean ammunition that can penetrate most police body-armor, then almost any hunting-rifle ammunition can be called &quot;Armor Piercing&quot;, and is available for purchase online.

If you&#039;re referring to Black-Talon-style armor-piercing handgun rounds, then no, they are not available online (to my knowledge).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Armor Piercing ammo.</p>
<p>Depends on how you define &#8220;Armor Piercing&#8221;. If you mean ammunition that can penetrate most police body-armor, then almost any hunting-rifle ammunition can be called &#8220;Armor Piercing&#8221;, and is available for purchase online.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re referring to Black-Talon-style armor-piercing handgun rounds, then no, they are not available online (to my knowledge).</p>
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		<title>By: Rustmeister</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2008/02/18/internet-gun-sales/#comment-2477</link>
		<dc:creator>Rustmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can add CMP weapons to Myth #1, I believe. Although I don&#039;t know their processes, I&#039;m sure they do a check before selling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can add CMP weapons to Myth #1, I believe. Although I don&#8217;t know their processes, I&#8217;m sure they do a check before selling.</p>
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		<title>By: thirdpower</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2008/02/18/internet-gun-sales/#comment-2476</link>
		<dc:creator>thirdpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at the BS on HuffPo.  Same tired lies over and over.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/17/same-gun-dealer-sold-to-2_n_87050.html?refresh_comments=1#postComment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the BS on HuffPo.  Same tired lies over and over.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/17/same-gun-dealer-sold-to-2_n_87050.html?refresh_comments=1#postComment" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/17/same-gun-dealer-sold-to-2_n_87050.html?refresh_comments=1#postComment</a></p>
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