Comments on: Aiming with your body http://gunnuts.net/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/ Gun info by shooters, for shooters Mon, 21 May 2012 15:43:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: The Freeholder http://gunnuts.net/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5491 The Freeholder Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:53:17 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5491 Caleb, have you ever seen any of Rob Pincus's videos? He teaches something similar to the Bill Jordan methodology mentioned above, but I'd liken more as nearly point-shooting up close, and transitioning to sights as you get further out. Of course there's much more to it than that, but it does seem to be a valid methodology. It seems to me that if you're at contact distance, it's much more important to put rounds on target than to get all tied up in sighting. However, as the distance increases, you get that fraction of a second to aim, and you need it, since point-shooting is going to be inaccurate, except for the few who practice, practice, practice. Caleb, have you ever seen any of Rob Pincus’s videos? He teaches something similar to the Bill Jordan methodology mentioned above, but I’d liken more as nearly point-shooting up close, and transitioning to sights as you get further out. Of course there’s much more to it than that, but it does seem to be a valid methodology. It seems to me that if you’re at contact distance, it’s much more important to put rounds on target than to get all tied up in sighting. However, as the distance increases, you get that fraction of a second to aim, and you need it, since point-shooting is going to be inaccurate, except for the few who practice, practice, practice.

]]> By: Less http://gunnuts.net/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5488 Less Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:24:47 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5488 It's interesting that McGivern's style of "point shooting" was using the body to anchor the gun so that you could aim by body position... Very similar to CQB stuff today where body indexing is very important for sub 6' engagements... It’s interesting that McGivern’s style of “point shooting” was using the body to anchor the gun so that you could aim by body position…

Very similar to CQB stuff today where body indexing is very important for sub 6′ engagements…

]]> By: Don Gwinn http://gunnuts.net/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5485 Don Gwinn Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:08:29 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5485 You have to pick a side sometime, Robb Allen. And when you do, I will write a long and winding internet post explaining in exquisite detail why your side is wrong. There will be accusations, recriminations, and bullet points. You have to pick a side sometime, Robb Allen. And when you do, I will write a long and winding internet post explaining in exquisite detail why your side is wrong. There will be accusations, recriminations, and bullet points.

]]> By: OrangeNeckInNY http://gunnuts.net/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5489 OrangeNeckInNY Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:26:53 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5489 When an assailant is that close, where you can literally "reach out and touch someone," aiming with arms extended is pretty much pointless. When an assailant is that close, where you can literally “reach out and touch someone,” aiming with arms extended is pretty much pointless.

]]> By: Robert http://gunnuts.net/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5490 Robert Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:25:44 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5490 When talking of point shooting I like to use the analogy of a fighting bull, the sort that the Spanish breed for the bullring. As the young bull grows he uses his horns for defense, and after a couple of years' practice, he knows exactly how to use his horns, and where they will go when he moves his head, even though he doesn't see them. Through training he has become an expert on using his horns, and he doesn't have to see where they go to know that they are on the target. (Unscrupulous bullfighters know this, and will pay ranchers or other hirelings to shave the bull's horns down a fraction, thus throwing off his aim). Same with the point shooter. Through long periods of training he and his weapon become one entity, so that even though he isn't looking at the sights, his body knows when the gun is lined up on the target. It takes dedication and lots of practice ammo to get this good, however, which is why the typical cowboy in the Old West wasn't a gunfighter. So for the typical gun user on a limited budget, the opportunity for excellence in point shooting is low, which is why the masses train with the sights on a gun. The person with sufficient funding and dedication can become an excellent point shooter. It's like any other endeavor, and works on a bell curve. When talking of point shooting I like to use the analogy of a fighting bull, the sort that the Spanish breed for the bullring. As the young bull grows he uses his horns for defense, and after a couple of years’ practice, he knows exactly how to use his horns, and where they will go when he moves his head, even though he doesn’t see them. Through training he has become an expert on using his horns, and he doesn’t have to see where they go to know that they are on the target. (Unscrupulous bullfighters know this, and will pay ranchers or other hirelings to shave the bull’s horns down a fraction, thus throwing off his aim).

Same with the point shooter. Through long periods of training he and his weapon become one entity, so that even though he isn’t looking at the sights, his body knows when the gun is lined up on the target. It takes dedication and lots of practice ammo to get this good, however, which is why the typical cowboy in the Old West wasn’t a gunfighter.

So for the typical gun user on a limited budget, the opportunity for excellence in point shooting is low, which is why the masses train with the sights on a gun. The person with sufficient funding and dedication can become an excellent point shooter. It’s like any other endeavor, and works on a bell curve.

]]> By: Firehand http://gunnuts.net/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5487 Firehand Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:36:58 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5487 A LOT of LE agencies used to teach point-shooting as the way up close; as Bill Jordan wrote in his book, as distance increases you extend the arms. And with practice, it can be pretty damn accurate. Neither is perfect, both point-shooting and using the sights are valuable methods to have in your arsenal. A LOT of LE agencies used to teach point-shooting as the way up close; as Bill Jordan wrote in his book, as distance increases you extend the arms. And with practice, it can be pretty damn accurate.

Neither is perfect, both point-shooting and using the sights are valuable methods to have in your arsenal.

]]> By: The Duck http://gunnuts.net/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5486 The Duck Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:27:46 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/10/23/aiming-with-your-body/#comment-5486 Jeff Cooper said "The body aims the eyes, verify" Once you learn a natural point of aim, & proper grip, the eyes just tell you that you are there Jeff Cooper said “The body aims the eyes, verify”

Once you learn a natural point of aim, & proper grip, the eyes just tell you that you are there

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