Comments on: The Curse of the Rules Lawyer http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/ Gun info by shooters, for shooters Mon, 21 May 2012 16:43:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Caleb http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6217 Caleb Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:50:34 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6217 I actually have read the IDPA rulebook, cover to cover in fact. Now, don't get me wrong, I love IDPA - I think it's a great shooting discipline and it's a lot of fun. I also feel like it has the potential (key word there) to be an incredible entry level sport for people looking to get into the practical shooting sports. That being said, the rulebook is a convoluted mess, and is actually quite unfriendly to new shooters. The biggest problem I have is "tactical sequence vs. tactical priority", which actually gives me an idea for a post. I actually have read the IDPA rulebook, cover to cover in fact. Now, don’t get me wrong, I love IDPA – I think it’s a great shooting discipline and it’s a lot of fun. I also feel like it has the potential (key word there) to be an incredible entry level sport for people looking to get into the practical shooting sports.

That being said, the rulebook is a convoluted mess, and is actually quite unfriendly to new shooters. The biggest problem I have is “tactical sequence vs. tactical priority”, which actually gives me an idea for a post.

]]> By: Sigboy40 http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6216 Sigboy40 Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:11:25 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6216 As a side note, has anybody read the IDPA rule book? It was written by a bunch of old men that couldn't win at USPSA, so they took there ball and started a new, rules orientated game. As a side note, has anybody read the IDPA rule book? It was written by a bunch of old men that couldn’t win at USPSA, so they took there ball and started a new, rules orientated game.

]]> By: 22lr http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6215 22lr Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:28:55 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6215 Im fine with people calling me on technicals when Im doing something, but when there is a ref/judge present then it should only be him who is able to call penalties. That way its a fair competition with no one getting docked for something that someone else got away with. Just my 2 cents. Im fine with people calling me on technicals when Im doing something, but when there is a ref/judge present then it should only be him who is able to call penalties. That way its a fair competition with no one getting docked for something that someone else got away with. Just my 2 cents.

]]> By: Caleb http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6214 Caleb Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:57:16 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6214 Blob - yeah, sorry about that. I am totally cool with shooters looking out for the RO, no one is perfect. It's when those shooters are doing it because they're dicks that I draw the line. I mean, ultimately we're all there to have a good time, and that's made a lot more difficult if Johnny Bagobullets is trying to smack everyone with ticky-tac penalties. Blob – yeah, sorry about that. I am totally cool with shooters looking out for the RO, no one is perfect. It’s when those shooters are doing it because they’re dicks that I draw the line. I mean, ultimately we’re all there to have a good time, and that’s made a lot more difficult if Johnny Bagobullets is trying to smack everyone with ticky-tac penalties.

]]> By: jimbob86 http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6213 jimbob86 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:52:05 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6213 I shoot IDPA to improve MY speed and accuracy with MY carry gun...... how well everybody else does is on them. If I see someone doing something blatantly tactically unsound....... putting the gun past a barricade/ through a window or standing still while engaging multiple armed targets, I may say something to that person, later, especially if they are new. Others did the same for me, and I learned to do right. Telling the RO how to do his job is not in anybody's interest. I shoot IDPA to improve MY speed and accuracy with MY carry gun…… how well everybody else does is on them. If I see someone doing something blatantly tactically unsound……. putting the gun past a barricade/ through a window or standing still while engaging multiple armed targets, I may say something to that person, later, especially if they are new. Others did the same for me, and I learned to do right. Telling the RO how to do his job is not in anybody’s interest.

]]> By: Cowboy Blob http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6212 Cowboy Blob Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:44:32 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6212 Sorry if I came down a little heavy, but your post made it sound like the guy was being a dick for merely pointing out a procedural the RO missed. “hey, he dropped a mag with bullets in it he should be given a procedural” I back up my dungeonmaster, too. Sorry if I came down a little heavy, but your post made it sound like the guy was being a dick for merely pointing out a procedural the RO missed.

“hey, he dropped a mag with bullets in it he should be given a procedural”

I back up my dungeonmaster, too.

]]> By: Caleb http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6211 Caleb Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:29:15 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6211 Back in the day I played a lot of D&D, and then when the Battletech Customizable Card Game came out I played the shit out of that. The last formal RPG I played was uh...D20 Modern. Back in the day I played a lot of D&D, and then when the Battletech Customizable Card Game came out I played the shit out of that. The last formal RPG I played was uh…D20 Modern.

]]> By: Weer'd Beard http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6210 Weer'd Beard Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:12:33 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6210 From a Gamer Angle, this guy http://www.memento-mori.com/ Intentionally makes his rules simple so Rules Lawyers won't have any fun, and non-gamers will do as well as vets. What games do you play, Ahab? I meant to ask on the Air last week when you mentioned "Free Actions" but I got caught up in all the gunnie goodness to talk G33k. From a Gamer Angle, this guy
http://www.memento-mori.com/

Intentionally makes his rules simple so Rules Lawyers won’t have any fun, and non-gamers will do as well as vets.

What games do you play, Ahab? I meant to ask on the Air last week when you mentioned “Free Actions” but I got caught up in all the gunnie goodness to talk G33k.

]]> By: Caleb http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6209 Caleb Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:39:43 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6209 There's a world of difference between politely pointing out something the RO missed (which I'm fine with) and saying "hey, he dropped a mag with bullets in it he should be given a procedural". Honestly, a lot of time it comes down to tone and attitude. You can point out the letter of the law and not be a rules lawyer - it's just important that you not be a dick while you do it. There’s a world of difference between politely pointing out something the RO missed (which I’m fine with) and saying “hey, he dropped a mag with bullets in it he should be given a procedural”. Honestly, a lot of time it comes down to tone and attitude. You can point out the letter of the law and not be a rules lawyer – it’s just important that you not be a dick while you do it.

]]> By: Cowboy Blob http://gunnuts.net/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6208 Cowboy Blob Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:36:54 +0000 http://www.nrahab.com/2008/12/17/the-curse-of-the-rules-lawyer/#comment-6208 As I learned in the military, a Crew Save is still a Save. If the RO misses something, it's not out of line to point it out. You make it sound like a bad thing, but I always welcome back-up when I'm ROing and I offer it, diplomatically, when I'm observing. If you're just shooting for fun, shoot by yourself. You're with a better class of people that way. As I learned in the military, a Crew Save is still a Save. If the RO misses something, it’s not out of line to point it out. You make it sound like a bad thing, but I always welcome back-up when I’m ROing and I offer it, diplomatically, when I’m observing. If you’re just shooting for fun, shoot by yourself. You’re with a better class of people that way.

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