Caleb, I know people like Harrison are annoying as hell to read their comments, especially on such a serious and grave topic of Ms. Hain’s untimely death.

But they are quite useful idiots, as the saying goes, to point out the mindless chanting, and logical fallacies that comes with being a supporter of gun control laws!

Game. Set. Match.

So here’s the deal. Your next post had better actually present an argument, backed up by more than name calling and insults as to how any of the “common sense gun laws” as proposed by the Brady Campaign or Mayors Against Illegal guns would have prevented this tragedy. If you can do that, I’ll be more than happy to continue the conversation with you.

Or, you can continue to sling the same old tired insults. If you do that, I’d appreciate if you’d call me a “Rethuglican” next, because you haven’t done that yet.

Oh, you mean, like “He was one of the people that you guys say is “okay” to have a gun”? Assuming that someone is one of the “you guys” the NRA has told you about?

What a numbskull.

“An actual argument using facts”? You crack me up. You mean, like, the “fact” that welfare causes people not to work? You mean the kind of “facts” that pathetic rightwing drones like you dream up in your hate-filled minds (no, sorry, you haven’t even dreamed those stupidities up yourselves–you read about it on some Repugnantcan website somewhere) and which have almost nothing whatever to do with the world existing outside your head?

I’m constantly amused at how smug you morons are. For people who haven’t thought for five minutes in their entire lives (memorizing your NRA playbook lines doesn’t count), you really seem to believe you know something.

Hain’s husband’s firearms ownership status is relevant – unless you believe that no one should have guns, not even cops.

Hey, it’s kind of neat to watch you completely ignore the points I make that don’t fit in your comfy stereotype of what I’m arguing about. But by all means, continue to flail about. You haven’t made any actual points since your first post, and even then that was a pretty loose argument. I may be an NRA apologist or whatever it is you think I am, but hey, at least I can string together an actual argument using facts.

You should try that sometime.

I fucking DOUBLE DOG DARE “Father Bob”, “DamnedGentleman”, “Harrison Fishbach”, and “Bess Fergusen” (all using their real names, I’m sure) to cc their sensitive missives to the surviving children.

May each and every one of you barbaric fuckers choke on your own bile.

Something horrible happens to someone, and it can reasonably be traced to the proliferation of guns

And this is why you fail. Her husband was an armed law enforcement officer. Not a private citizen. He was one of the people that you guys say is “okay” to have a gun, and yet he still managed to kill his wife. That’s not “traced to the proliferation of guns” any more than if he had hit her with a cop car would be traced to the “proliferation of powerful automobiles.”

f you vampires cared about the dead, you’d talk about how the gun lobby’s efforts help ensure high murder rates in the US, and especially among racial minorities. Compared to the rest of the Western world, we’re at the top, and omnipresent guns are the main reason why.

Here’s more fail! There is not one shred of evidence that “gun lobby” has done anything to contribute to the rate of violent crime in America. In fact, the places with the highest rates of violent crime remain the places with the most gun control laws, but don’t let facts intrude on your fantasy world. You want to find someone to blame for inner city violence, or the horrible crimes that so often seem to stem from minorities? Blame the education system that ignores inner cities, blame a welfare system that encourages people to not get productive jobs, blame the ever present drug culture fueled by ineffective law enforcement, or maybe just maybe blame the gangsters, thieves, murderers, rapists, and other criminals that break the laws.

But you cant do that, can you? Because if blame people for their own actions, the next thing you know you’ll have to start accepting responsibility for your words and actions. If people starting owning their own lives, then they can’t be victims, they can’t be dependent on someone else to tell them what’s better for them.

I think the most appalling thing about gun control at the end of it all is how degrading and racist it is. At the base of all your arguments about inner city crime is the assumption that black people are so stupid and easily swayed that the evil gun lobby and all our evil guns shoot out some kind of mind control rays that just make them turn into criminals, as if they had no free will of their own. It’s appalling that human beings, especially those who claim to champion the rights of minorities are as backwards in their thinking as you have repeatedly demonstrated yourself to be.

The “dancing in the blood of the dead” thing is way stupid, obviously just an attempt to defuse any criticism of the actual role guns play in the real world. Something horrible happens to someone, and it can reasonably be traced to the proliferation of guns, so the gun-crazed all start squawking “Don’t use this in a partisan way, we just wants to mourn the dead.” It would be funny if it weren’t so evil.

If you vampires cared about the dead, you’d talk about how the gun lobby’s efforts help ensure high murder rates in the US, and especially among racial minorities. Compared to the rest of the Western world, we’re at the top, and omnipresent guns are the main reason why.

But you don’t really care about the dead, do you? (and especially if they’re not white). Nope, not for a minute. All you care about is your ‘right’ to have an arsenal in the hopes that it will help you feel less paranoid about all the evil monsters you think are lurking out there, waiting to do you harm. Guess what, Caleb? You might better turn your gaze internally if it’s evil monsters you want to find.