Comments on: Don’t bring a knife to a coffee fight http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/ Gun info by shooters, for shooters Thu, 24 May 2012 15:13:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Michael Z. Williamson http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-14269 Michael Z. Williamson Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:58:47 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-14269 I figured that was the intent. The problem is, you need those keys. Dropping them could mean not having a vehicle for retreat. I would strongly recommend never doing it. I'd question the credentials of anyone suggesting it. If the guy grabs your keys and runs (druggies do stupid stuff), you have a lot of hassle to replace them all, and he just might try every key in the building to get in. If you have to retreat, you can't retreat to your vehicle. If he's a serious criminal and has observed you, he now has a car if he just waits an hour and comes back. Coffee, a book, a briefcase if there's nothing valuable in it, rcoks, shoes, even a coat, but never keys, money or a weapon. I figured that was the intent. The problem is, you need those keys. Dropping them could mean not having a vehicle for retreat. I would strongly recommend never doing it. I’d question the credentials of anyone suggesting it.

If the guy grabs your keys and runs (druggies do stupid stuff), you have a lot of hassle to replace them all, and he just might try every key in the building to get in.

If you have to retreat, you can’t retreat to your vehicle.

If he’s a serious criminal and has observed you, he now has a car if he just waits an hour and comes back.

Coffee, a book, a briefcase if there’s nothing valuable in it, rcoks, shoes, even a coat, but never keys, money or a weapon.

]]> By: Jandrotoro http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-14268 Jandrotoro Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:50:07 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-14268 Michlyael, The purpose of dropping the keys is to distract for you to draw your concealed weapon. I tested this with a good friend, while we were talking to each other, I dropped my keys to see his reaction. He looked down to where the keys landed. I just wondered if anyone having gone to a defensive class had this discussed. I am no expert, just asking a question. Thanks, Alex Michlyael,

The purpose of dropping the keys is to distract for you to draw your concealed weapon.

I tested this with a good friend, while we were talking to each other, I dropped my keys to see his reaction. He looked down to where the keys landed.

I just wondered if anyone having gone to a defensive class had this discussed.

I am no expert, just asking a question.

Thanks,

Alex

]]> By: Vicki http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-14190 Vicki Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:32:25 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-14190 remember the front sight motto (www.frontsight.com) "Any cup will do, If you will do" :) remember the front sight motto (www.frontsight.com)

“Any cup will do, If you will do” :)

]]> By: Michael Z. Williamson http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-14080 Michael Z. Williamson Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:27:18 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-14080 I think that would make a lot more sense than keys. It also gives a useful precedent for the judge, should he want to throw the book at them... I think that would make a lot more sense than keys.

It also gives a useful precedent for the judge, should he want to throw the book at them…

]]> By: Crucis http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-14079 Crucis Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:24:04 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-14079 MadMike, most times I'm out of the house, I usually have a book with me---for those times I'm waiting for the wife to finish her shopping. Sometimes it's a hardback, mostly a paperback but always in my left hand. It's an innocent object that can be tossed towards a hostile to distract them while drawing with my other hands. It's not something I've planned, it's a personal habit that works double if in need. MadMike, most times I’m out of the house, I usually have a book with me—for those times I’m waiting for the wife to finish her shopping. Sometimes it’s a hardback, mostly a paperback but always in my left hand. It’s an innocent object that can be tossed towards a hostile to distract them while drawing with my other hands.

It’s not something I’ve planned, it’s a personal habit that works double if in need.

]]> By: Michael Z. Williamson http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-14078 Michael Z. Williamson Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:03:05 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-14078 I can't imagine what logic would be behind dropping keys, since a vehicle is a good means of escape if the thug is only scared and might return. Or, he snags the keys successfully and leaves you stuck and with a bill for new keys. Worst case, he might be able to identify you (if this is at an office or near home), which leaves you needing to rekey everything. However, I've been wrong before. What is this supposed to accomplish that can't be better done with a shout, a stomp of the foot, hot coffee, bullets...? I can’t imagine what logic would be behind dropping keys, since a vehicle is a good means of escape if the thug is only scared and might return. Or, he snags the keys successfully and leaves you stuck and with a bill for new keys. Worst case, he might be able to identify you (if this is at an office or near home), which leaves you needing to rekey everything.

However, I’ve been wrong before. What is this supposed to accomplish that can’t be better done with a shout, a stomp of the foot, hot coffee, bullets…?

]]> By: Jandrotoro http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-14074 Jandrotoro Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:41:01 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-14074 I am glad that you came through this life experience with not being killed or injured. Also for not killing the scum and ending up in lawsuits up the posterior. A question I have for you is have you been through a defensive shooting school? Did they give other ideas to distract the assailant? Like dropping the keys or such? After reading your article and having been burglarized last October, I am being much more attentive of my surroundings. Take care everyone. I am glad that you came through this life experience with not being killed or injured. Also for not killing the scum and ending up in lawsuits up the posterior.

A question I have for you is have you been through a defensive shooting school? Did they give other ideas to distract the assailant? Like dropping the keys or such?

After reading your article and having been burglarized last October, I am being much more attentive of my surroundings.

Take care everyone.

]]> By: Caleb http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-14059 Caleb Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:16:33 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-14059 Well, it's a good thing for me that I've got good trigger discipline, because if I had shot an unarmed man in the back as he ran away, I'm pretty sure I'd be in jail right now. Jesus. Well, it’s a good thing for me that I’ve got good trigger discipline, because if I had shot an unarmed man in the back as he ran away, I’m pretty sure I’d be in jail right now.

Jesus.

]]> By: straightarrow http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-14032 straightarrow Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:06:28 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-14032 Hate to be the wet blanket, but now the choir boy will get a gun and next time he will rob a corpse he shot in the back. However, I do applaud your instantaneous response. Don't know if I could have let him run to try someone else later, though. Hate to be the wet blanket, but now the choir boy will get a gun and next time he will rob a corpse he shot in the back. However, I do applaud your instantaneous response. Don’t know if I could have let him run to try someone else later, though.

]]> By: Mike Toombs http://gunnuts.net/2009/10/26/dont-bring-a-knife-to-a-coffee-fight/#comment-13933 Mike Toombs Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:53:14 +0000 http://gunnuts.net/?p=4549#comment-13933 Caleb, Now you have gone and done it!! Next thing that will happen int the socialist state of California is that open carry of coffee will become against the law or we will need a permit to carry coffee in public. It seems that people just don't consider the "reckless" nature of their actions on other states.. Now Starbucks will be requred to issue child proof safety coffee cup lids and "steaming coffee in public" will be our next illegal weapon. Good on you Caleb. Sorry the coffee wasn't scalding but standing up for your self is the only way we can take back our society from the "bg" element. Mike Toombs reluctant citizen of Kalefornia, USSR. Caleb,

Now you have gone and done it!! Next thing that will happen int the socialist state of California is that open carry of coffee will become against the law or we will need a permit to carry coffee in public. It seems that people just don’t consider the “reckless” nature of their actions on other states.. Now Starbucks will be requred to issue child proof safety coffee cup lids and “steaming coffee in public” will be our next illegal weapon.

Good on you Caleb. Sorry the coffee wasn’t scalding but standing up for your self is the only way we can take back our society from the “bg” element.

Mike Toombs
reluctant citizen of Kalefornia, USSR.

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