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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16597</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot think of a USPSA or IDPA stage that would require a mag   change after 5 pills. 

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		<title>By: Dann</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16588</link>
		<dc:creator>Dann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Practice is Practice... I disagree.  If you enjoy IDPA, or any of the others - great!  Any time you get to shoot is fun and practice, but make sure you are not practicing and automating habits that will get you killed.  If you get in a real, stress-fire situation, make sure you don&#039;t eject your 17 round magazine after 5 shots because that is what you&#039;ve done a thousand times in practice or competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Practice is Practice&#8230; I disagree.  If you enjoy IDPA, or any of the others &#8211; great!  Any time you get to shoot is fun and practice, but make sure you are not practicing and automating habits that will get you killed.  If you get in a real, stress-fire situation, make sure you don&#8217;t eject your 17 round magazine after 5 shots because that is what you&#8217;ve done a thousand times in practice or competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16067</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, I definitely agree on that.  IDPA/USPSA and other shooting sports are (IMHO) analogous to MMA fighting in that while it&#039;s not a real (gun)fight, it&#039;s certainly better than just shooting on the square range or shadowboxing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, I definitely agree on that.  IDPA/USPSA and other shooting sports are (IMHO) analogous to MMA fighting in that while it&#8217;s not a real (gun)fight, it&#8217;s certainly better than just shooting on the square range or shadowboxing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16061</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like this parallels unarmed combat. Karate isn&#039;t the be-all-end-all, neither is TKD, BJJ, combatives, wrestling or aikido, but they all have valuable skills suited to different situations and attackers. The ideal way to train IMO is to learn as much from each of them and combine it to make something that&#039;ll work for you in as many situations as possible.

Good article, now I just wish I had some better local ranges and clubs. And more money, &#039;cause you can never have enough ammo. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like this parallels unarmed combat. Karate isn&#8217;t the be-all-end-all, neither is TKD, BJJ, combatives, wrestling or aikido, but they all have valuable skills suited to different situations and attackers. The ideal way to train IMO is to learn as much from each of them and combine it to make something that&#8217;ll work for you in as many situations as possible.</p>
<p>Good article, now I just wish I had some better local ranges and clubs. And more money, &#8217;cause you can never have enough ammo. :)</p>
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		<title>By: ToddG</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16060</link>
		<dc:creator>ToddG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who&#039;s been involved in IDPA since the draft rules were under review, I have to say Caleb hit this one out of the park. People who think IDPA teaches &lt;em&gt;fighting&lt;/em&gt; are in for a rude surprise the first time projectiles start moving in both directions. But those who fail to appreciate how well it can help refine someone&#039;s &lt;em&gt;shooting&lt;/em&gt; ability is no less clueless.

The major problem with IDPA is that there are too many little tactical-wannabe rules (tactical sequence, ridiculous reload restrictions) and too many people who mistake those rules as actual fighting methodology. I&#039;ve watched as 20-something IDPA Safety Officers at major matches scolded the likes of Dave Harrington or Ernest Langdon about &quot;combat&quot; technique, use of cover, etc. 

Like most things about shooting and competition, you get out of it exactly what you put into it. I can honestly say that my &lt;em&gt;shooting&lt;/em&gt; skill has been pushed more by competition than any class I&#039;ve ever taken. Exposure to great shooters like those mentioned above also sets the bar much higher than you could ever realize by simply hanging out at your local club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who&#8217;s been involved in IDPA since the draft rules were under review, I have to say Caleb hit this one out of the park. People who think IDPA teaches <em>fighting</em> are in for a rude surprise the first time projectiles start moving in both directions. But those who fail to appreciate how well it can help refine someone&#8217;s <em>shooting</em> ability is no less clueless.</p>
<p>The major problem with IDPA is that there are too many little tactical-wannabe rules (tactical sequence, ridiculous reload restrictions) and too many people who mistake those rules as actual fighting methodology. I&#8217;ve watched as 20-something IDPA Safety Officers at major matches scolded the likes of Dave Harrington or Ernest Langdon about &#8220;combat&#8221; technique, use of cover, etc. </p>
<p>Like most things about shooting and competition, you get out of it exactly what you put into it. I can honestly say that my <em>shooting</em> skill has been pushed more by competition than any class I&#8217;ve ever taken. Exposure to great shooters like those mentioned above also sets the bar much higher than you could ever realize by simply hanging out at your local club.</p>
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		<title>By: Montie</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16030</link>
		<dc:creator>Montie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caleb,

I agree with your premise 100%. As some one who has carried a gun for over 30 years (25 on the job), I think that any activity which gets you trigger time under any kind of pressure is good. for a lot of years the only training I got as an LEO was standing up and shooting at targets under ridiculously long time frames from a series of set distances. If not for being heavily into competitive shooting long before becoming a cop, I would have felt very inadequately trained.

I got involved in IPSC (pre-USPSA)  in the late 70&#039;s- early 80&#039;s, back when our competition guns were more like the average over the counter modern 1911 carry gun (actually with less bells and whistles) than the race guns which caused the formation of IDPA. 

Having been in three &quot;for real&quot; shootings, I can tell you that any amount of trigger time which causes you to become familiar with presenting and operating your gun quickly and under pressure is a good thing. Tactical training is good when and if you can avail yourself of it, but don&#039;t listen to the &quot;mall ninjas&quot; disparage sports like IDPA when the only &quot;training&quot; they probably ever get is the occasional weekend plinking session.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caleb,</p>
<p>I agree with your premise 100%. As some one who has carried a gun for over 30 years (25 on the job), I think that any activity which gets you trigger time under any kind of pressure is good. for a lot of years the only training I got as an LEO was standing up and shooting at targets under ridiculously long time frames from a series of set distances. If not for being heavily into competitive shooting long before becoming a cop, I would have felt very inadequately trained.</p>
<p>I got involved in IPSC (pre-USPSA)  in the late 70&#8242;s- early 80&#8242;s, back when our competition guns were more like the average over the counter modern 1911 carry gun (actually with less bells and whistles) than the race guns which caused the formation of IDPA. </p>
<p>Having been in three &#8220;for real&#8221; shootings, I can tell you that any amount of trigger time which causes you to become familiar with presenting and operating your gun quickly and under pressure is a good thing. Tactical training is good when and if you can avail yourself of it, but don&#8217;t listen to the &#8220;mall ninjas&#8221; disparage sports like IDPA when the only &#8220;training&#8221; they probably ever get is the occasional weekend plinking session.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16028</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually agree with that, although the influx if USPSA shooters has   helped IDPA get over some of their silly ass rules.  You rarely see   mandatory &quot;Tac loads&quot; (they do crop up) and most shooters can out game   them anyway. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually agree with that, although the influx if USPSA shooters has   helped IDPA get over some of their silly ass rules.  You rarely see   mandatory &#8220;Tac loads&#8221; (they do crop up) and most shooters can out game   them anyway. </p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16027</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with IDPA is that it teaches a mindset that can be very, very bad in a real situation. There are so many ways to lose points due to the niggling little rules that this is what people focus on. &quot;How many rounds until my reload?&quot; &quot;What kind of reload do I do next?&quot; &quot;I need to take these next targets in the right order.&quot; That kind of distraction and preoccupation with peripheral issues are precisely what you don&#039;t want in a live situation.

Most of us will never be in a gunfight, much less multiple gunfights. We won&#039;t have a chance to develop an aggressive mindset over time. If we&#039;re going to get it, we&#039;re going to get it on the range, or not at all.

With its emphasis on speed above all, USPSA and steel actually do a better job of preparing shooters to get shots on targets fast. And that&#039;s what counts most in 99% of cases. Not how you juggle your magazines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with IDPA is that it teaches a mindset that can be very, very bad in a real situation. There are so many ways to lose points due to the niggling little rules that this is what people focus on. &#8220;How many rounds until my reload?&#8221; &#8220;What kind of reload do I do next?&#8221; &#8220;I need to take these next targets in the right order.&#8221; That kind of distraction and preoccupation with peripheral issues are precisely what you don&#8217;t want in a live situation.</p>
<p>Most of us will never be in a gunfight, much less multiple gunfights. We won&#8217;t have a chance to develop an aggressive mindset over time. If we&#8217;re going to get it, we&#8217;re going to get it on the range, or not at all.</p>
<p>With its emphasis on speed above all, USPSA and steel actually do a better job of preparing shooters to get shots on targets fast. And that&#8217;s what counts most in 99% of cases. Not how you juggle your magazines.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16026</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that IDPA is not tactical training.

Having the &#039;self-induced&#039; pressure of being on the clock and having other shooters observe you performance, drawing your weapon while wearing a concealment garment, using cover, shooting while moving, shooting at moving targets, reloading (with retention and from slide lock), and target identification  are a few of the benefits I see from shooting IDPA that are applicable to defensive hand gunning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that IDPA is not tactical training.</p>
<p>Having the &#8216;self-induced&#8217; pressure of being on the clock and having other shooters observe you performance, drawing your weapon while wearing a concealment garment, using cover, shooting while moving, shooting at moving targets, reloading (with retention and from slide lock), and target identification  are a few of the benefits I see from shooting IDPA that are applicable to defensive hand gunning.</p>
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		<title>By: practicalgunreview</title>
		<link>http://gunnuts.net/2010/02/05/is-idpa-realistic/#comment-16024</link>
		<dc:creator>practicalgunreview</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Thanks for addressing this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Thanks for addressing this!</p>
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